MichaelircMichael has joined wai-wcag RRSAgentircRRSAgent has joined wai-wcag RRSAgentlogging to http://www.w3.org/2005/07/14-wai-wcag-irc wendyRRSAgent, make log world RRSAgentI have made the request, wendy wendyRegrets: Roberto Castaldo, Alex Li, Roberto Scano (until 15 August)Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2005JulSep/0044. htmlagenda+ Techniques Task Force update. wendyagenda+ Harvest techniques and/or tests for guidelines 3.2, 4.1 and 4.2. wendyagenda+ Discuss recent request for WCAG 1.0 interpretation regarding tables for layout. (refer to http://tinyurl.com/8drxs) wendyagenda+ Mapping of 1.0 to 2.0 http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/06/30-mapping.html sebastianoircsebastiano has joined wai-wcag relleroircrellero has joined wai-wcag bengtircbengt has joined wai-wcag YvetteircYvette has joined wai-wcag * Yvette waves to everyone rellerohi * Christophe zwaait terug naar YvetteYvette maakt een virtuele doch elegante buigingChristophe is zeer vereerd * Yvette just discovered her telephone costs doubled :-( * Michael deregulation? greggircgregg has joined wai-wcag * Yvette they doubled the price per minute LucaMascaroircLucaMascaro has joined wai-wcag BeckyircBecky has joined wai-wcag wendyJohn called in to thank us for the song and say "hello" :) TimircTim has joined wai-wcag * joeclark what, I missed John? wendyscribe: wendy * joeclark oh, shit. I wasn't going to, no. rellerotks wendymc: will be finishing review of existing tests (about 100 of them) as well as pending (about 25). will be sending proposals to the list and gathering feedback using surveys, similar to guidelines. wendymc: script tests - not sure what they will look like. feel that need techniques before can write tests.mc: from the harvesting, focusing on developing script techniques. looking at how to coordinate with experts. * wendy wonders if we should raise question about publishing internal draft of html techs with testable criteria for each technique relleroI have a problem with line, I'll follow in irc MichaelMapping document: http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2005/06/30-sc-techniques-mapping.html wendyTopic: guideline 3.2 techniques harvest wendyL1SC1 - Any change of context is implemented in a manner that can be programmatically determined.CSS inheritw/inherit property children will accept computed value of parentchange of context?at least for rendering purposes, might facilitate similar look and feel across elements.2. need an alternative to "target" since not allowed in strict html. rel is external then programmatically open new window.script techniquesissues with SC? what does it mean to programmatically determine opening a window in script?using "a" is one way to satisfy this. have technique for using? [or just refer to html spec]L2 SC1 Components that are repeated on multiple delivery units within a set of delivery units occur in the same order each time they are repeated.currently - CSS about indenting text. not properly mapped.server-side includestemplatescms to helpgeneral tech about introducing subitems to clarify allowedL2 SC2 When any component receives focus, it does not cause a change of context.in html, techniques that discuss onfocus event handler and what not to do when activatedon forms submit, have to use submit so that doesn't rely on focus to cause submissiondoes this address issue w/tabbing to menu itme and menu item opens automatically (on tab into)?change of context - A change of user agent, viewport, user interface controls, or focus; or complete change of content.L2 SC3 Changing the setting of any input field does not automatically cause a change of context .becky's submitted scripting technique using onchange on select (in an accessible way) rellero_ircrellero_ has joined wai-wcag wendysomewhat controversial (but will log and explore) rellero_ircrellero_ has left wai-wcag rellero_ircrellero_ has joined wai-wcag rellero_ircrellero_ has left wai-wcag rellero_ircrellero_ has joined wai-wcag wendyquestion about: technique to address issue that automatically advances you to next field after enter x # of characters? when hit back to fix an entry, now in different field.L2SC4 Components that have the same functionality in multiple delivery units within a set of delivery units are labeled consistently. relleroircrellero has left wai-wcag wendythis is more about generating the page rather than fixing later. perhaps general technique "just do it..."L3SC1 Graphical components that appear on multiple pages, including graphical links, are associated with the same text equivalents wherever they appear.test - if a graphic is associated with different uris on different pages, flag them and determine if differences make sense. if not, make consistent.L3SC2 Changes of context are initiated only by user action.no automatic refreshes, at all. wendynavigating around page, shouldn't cause change of context (e.g., pop-ups). however, this meant to mean "only by user request."minor issue with wording of SC. "user action" a bit too vague wendynew bug for this issue - http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1535"on leaving a data field"html-specific?resolution: adopt L3SC2 Changes of context are initiated only by user request.use links to cause page to refresh(or section of a page)instead of automatically causing refreshchanges of user agent:discussion about issue.other parts of the defn of "change of context" - have we addressed "change in user interface control?"mentioned earlier (becky's proposal)Topic: Guideline 4.2L1SC1 If content does not meet all level 1 success criteria, then an alternate form is provided that does meet all level 1 success criteria.discussion about concerns with this SCissues raised - 1. does this apply to content outside the baseline? also applied to content inside the baseline?perhaps say something along the lines of, "If content outside the baseline does not meet..."however, tech may not be capableIf content can not meet..."can not" would have to apply to technology not the author (or cost/effort) Christopheq+ wendyack ch wendyif scripting in baseline, still things can do that don't meet the gl so still need to provide an alternative form.if you can make it accessible you must...http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1536RRSAgent, generate minutesnoframes, noscript RRSAgentI have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2005/07/14-wai-wcag-minutes.html wendy wendyfallback mechanism for applets (if applet not in baseline) need alternative mechanism for funcationlitycontent negotiationset of general techniques links to alternatives(concern about these and cyberghetto)user settings, store preferences TimircTim has left wai-wcag wendyMeeting: WCAG WG weekly telecon wendyChair: Greggstyle switcherL1 SC2 # Content using baseline technologies or non-baseline technologies, must meet the following criteria: [V] 1. Content that violates international health and safety standards for general flash or red flash is marked in a way that the user can avoid its appearance Editorial Note: @@ update to match 2.3 text when it is complete 2. If the user can enter the content using the keyboard, then the user can exit the content using the keyboard.several techs already mapped toconcern about mappingsmap to SC1 instead?gen tech about keyboard handlinggen tech about not trapping keyboardflash tech for not trapping keyboard (we'll link to)javascript keyboard event handlers. how to return t/f if handle or if OS handles."hit x to return to previous page"covered by "must be able to use w/keyboard"this abut getting trapped in a plug-incan never use contentEditable?should document work-arounds/games/kludges related toL1SC3L1SC3 The role, state, and value can be programmatically determined for every user interface component of the web content that accepts input from the user or changes dynamically in response to user input or external events.there are techniques but can't validate right now and don't have spec *yet*however, if use elements semantically correctly would satisfy to best of ability. also, in some techs (flash) dont' you have to do for info to get passed through?concern that people creating UI elements with a and div and is that not using the elements semantically correctlyissue - is it possible to meet the strict interpretation of this in html? if not, what is the intent? can we meet the intent with other wording?http://trace.wisc.edu/bugzilla_wcag/show_bug.cgi?id=1537 greggircgregg has left wai-wcag * bengt thinks dialpad talks for us wendyvalue attribute to label (type=submit, reset, button)button element * Michael label element for most controls, alt for image input, value for most buttons, text for button element wendylabel element for most controls, alt for image input, value for most buttons, text for button elementL1SC5 The states and values of content that can be changed via the user interface can also be changed programmatically.how different from 3?determined vs changedDHTML roadmap techniques