* joeclark I'm the first one on the call? wendyya - in the future we can ask the agent not to log until we're read.ready YvetteI'm glad I'm on first name basis then :-) jslatinhi joe YvetteHi Joe wendyscribe: wendy ChristopheircChristophe has joined wai-wcag greggircgregg has joined wai-wcag David_ircDavid_ has joined wai-wcag David_test wendy"enduring and durable 3.1" ? ;) BeckyircBecky has joined wai-wcag AndiircAndi has joined wai-wcag * Yvette is not allowed to see those results wendyyes - messed up on the settings and am unable to change.i'll send them to you, david, bengt, christophe, joe. others need it? * bengt thinks only the 3.2 is blocked ChristopheI can't se results for 3.2 either (3.1, 2.4 are OK) wendybenben has been promoted by wendy wendyq- wendyack alex greggq? wendyack mike wendyack g wendyack j wendyack b wendyack a wendyack a wendyjohn lists examples of extreme changes of context that he is concerned about.discussion about "user-initiated extreme changes of context"action: alex and mike rework proposals for 3.2 * RRSAgent records action 1 * Michael has to leave for 1/2 hour MichaelircMichael has left wai-wcag wendyack w wendyack mi wendyack jo wendyproposal 1 - 9 don't wantproposal 2 - 8 don't wantproposal 3 - 5 don't want wendyack j Yvetteq- greggack g wendyack g wendyack j wendyq- wendyack w Yvetteack y wendyack y wendyack j wendyack a wendyaction: ben rework proposal for 4.1 based on feedback (either choose one approach and work into a proposal, or multiple). include "current wording" in survey. * RRSAgent records action 2 wendyjohn clarifies: readable means you can figure out words and sentences. understandable means you can comprehend what you're reading. (did i get that right?) jslatinthink so wendyresolution: adopt proposed wording for Guideline 3.1 Make text content readable and understandable.discussing: Proposed wording Level 1 SC2: A mechanism for finding the expanded form of acronyms and abbreviations is available12 preferred proposed, 7 preferred current wendyexamples: ibm (name), dvd (no longer stands for what it started out). are these still acronyms?ack m wendyack a gregg* no it didnt you just disappeared gregg* we did hear a shit * joeclark I didn't say "shit."joeclark to my knowledge. Tourette's, anyone? gregg*someone else then - sounded like they spilled their coffee or something wendyq- Yvetteack y wendyack j wendy:)ack g wendyconcern that discussion about acronym/abbreviation are important b/c they are structures in HTML. suggestion to not have anything specific about acronym and abbreviation because it is covered by "use according to spec." counter-example of "footnote" which is not an html structure that *is* available in pdf.ack ben jslatin<q> is not supported wendyack j joeclarkby the way, Window-Eyes 4.5 and later supports q and blockquote.IBM HPR 3.04 even supports <ruby>. wendyresolution: needs more workdiscussing Proposed wording Level 3 SC3: Section headings and link text are understandable when read by themselves or as a group (for example in a list of links or a table of contents). greggack j greggack john greggQ joeclark wendyack jo wendyconsider getting feedback about moving to level 2 MichaelircMichael has joined wai-wcag wendyjoe doesn't support adopting proposed wording. response on survey was:This remains a terrible and counterfactual idea, where we require X (coding according to spec and writing in a linearizable order) and anti-X (allowing any device to pull out content and remix it). jslatinproposed l3 sc3 is authorial action to support UA function wendyresolution: (with objection) for Proposed wording Level 3 SC3: Section headings and link text are understandable when read by themselves or as a group (for example in a list of links or a table of contents). with the following actions:action: john updated proposal for L3SC3 w/removal of "screen reader" and ask about moving to level 2. provide rationale for SC. * RRSAgent records action 3joeclark can someone put the URL for the 1.3 survey up? joeclarkq? wendyack joe wendyack joh wendyack gr Yvetteack y wendyyvette proposes: ensure that the structure and function of the web content do not depend on the presentation * joeclark don't need the word "perception" wendyack john wendyack gr wendyack j wendyack ja wendydiscussing - Proposed wording Level 1 SC2: Markup or coding is used to encode document semantics9 preferred proposed wording, 3 preferred current wording * joeclark I gotta go soon. wendys/9/10 wendyaction: joe rework proposal for L1SC2, including a proposed defn of "document semantics" * RRSAgent records action 4 greggircgregg has left wai-wcag