(09:01:49)joeclark has been promoted (09:02:40) ChrisR has joined #wai-wcag (09:02:55) bcaldwell has joined #wai-wcag (10:46:02) wendy has joined #wai-wcag wendy (10:49:26): techniques requirements: http://www.w3.org/TR/wcag2-tech-req/ (10:52:02) sh1mmer has joined #wai-wcag wendy (10:54:25): http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wcag20.html#techs sh1mmer (11:17:38): wendy you are going to be talking about the gateway docs in 40 mins is that correct? wendy (11:41:49): http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2001/10/ts wendy (11:41:52): oops - hey tom. wendy (11:42:23): gateway not for a while. after lunch here is when we plan. (11:43:42) RRSAgent has joined #wai-wcag (11:43:44)RRSAgent is logging wendy (11:43:50): http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2001/10/ts wendy (11:44:57): i.e. we're likely to go to lunch in about 45 minutes. eat for 60 and come back to discuss gateway technqiues. sh1mmer (11:47:12): righto wendy (11:47:13): change in plans wendy (11:47:13): tom - can you get on the phone asap? :) sh1mmer (11:47:17): now? sh1mmer (11:47:18): np wendy (11:47:24): since you're around we'll talk about personas and use cases. (11:47:30)sh1mmer looks for number wendy (11:48:21): 617.761.6200 sh1mmer (11:48:31): thanks wendy (11:48:33): x9225 wendy (11:48:50): 9224 wendy (11:50:22): we're on the bridge. sh1mmer (11:50:37): my speaker phone is a little noisy wendy (11:50:39): to discuss gateway techniques, use cases, persona wendy (11:51:03): in the room: Alan Cantor, Dave MacDonald, Wendy Chisholm, Ben Caldwell, Michael Cooper, Joe Clark, Chris Ridpath wendy (11:51:11): on the phone: tom croucher wendy (11:58:48): models for what marc will read: webmonkey and internet.com wendy (12:00:04): probably start at standard, go through gateway, find html, then stick there. wendy (12:01:24): or, designer more likely to stick in gateway and programmer in technology-specific. wendy (12:02:17): how much html do designers know? oftentimes mock-up design in html, coder then clean-up but not generate from scratch. wendy (12:02:47): separating mock-ups and implementations (oftentimes mock-ups used as basis for implementation) sh1mmer (12:03:43): http://scx.hu sh1mmer (12:06:07): http://sxc.hu wendy (12:07:45): andy: appeal to the engineering challenge (appeal to his vanity) wendy (12:08:48): have to get him to the right resource (an EO doc that dispels the "PC BS" myth) sh1mmer (12:09:02): im really getting line fuzz. wendy (12:09:07): also, way to highlight/support this in the techniques sh1mmer (12:09:16): has somebody got a cable near the phone line? wendy (12:09:23): what kind of cable? wendy (12:09:35): elegant code - appeal sh1mmer (12:09:47): power cable or something wendy (12:09:58): you're hearing some noise from the phone? sh1mmer (12:10:07): yeah wendy (12:10:54): ambient noise in the room. not sure we can do anything about that. sh1mmer (12:11:00): ok wendy (12:11:03): jessica wendy (12:12:16): building the case for accessibility: http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/bcase/ wendy (12:12:19): lack of statistics wendy (12:14:32): demos of accessing sites by people with disabilities (another method to take) wendy (12:14:35): emulations, simulations wendy (12:15:13): intro in gateway techniques to why? wendy (12:15:28): link to resources, e.g., business case, how people with disab. use the web, links to simulations, etc. wendy (12:15:36): links to tools wendy (12:16:42): http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/existingtools.html wendy (12:16:43): jessica wendy (12:20:37): an executive summary? look at techniques? wendy (12:20:46): likely to look at techniques to confirm interpretation of checkpoints. wendy (12:20:53): checklist? decision tree/ wendy (12:20:55): ? wendy (12:21:17): fill out checklist, file. if someone complains, use that as defense. wendy (12:22:36): mary wendy (12:26:18): primarily using guidelines/checkpoints wendy (12:29:53): yet another case is web developer who because of some personal experience (relative, friend, etc.) finds out about accessibility and is interested. (in tom's table, but not represented by a persona) (12:32:43) rscano has joined #wai-wcag rscano (12:33:02): Hi to all! how is proceeding? joeclark (12:34:13): Swimmingly. rscano (12:34:21): :) wendy (12:40:58): off to lunch (12:41:03) wendy has left #wai-wcag (12:41:50) bcaldwell has left #wai-wcag (12:48:02) rscano has left #wai-wcag (12:58:12) rscano has joined #wai-wcag sh1mmer (13:49:20): you know i think i got the best deal. sh1mmer (13:49:33): they may be getting lunch but i have star trek and guiness ;) rscano (13:55:28): :D sh1mmer (13:55:49): How are you Roberto? rscano (13:56:02): well... after a terrible week :) rscano (13:56:32): two of my first company supply has made bankrupt so i have changed all the product in my e-shop :) sh1mmer (13:56:51): ouch rscano (13:57:25): eh :) rscano (13:57:39): and now i'm writing "Techbook for WCAG" in italian language :) sh1mmer (13:58:14): Oh well done. Good man :) rscano (13:58:34): i'm trying to made with simple language :D rscano (13:58:51): for people in public administration office that manages CMS :) rscano (13:59:25): the only plugin that 've found that work well and is customizable to support WCAG is EwebEditpro by Ektron sh1mmer (13:59:36): i have another one rscano (13:59:38): i've personalized it and now it works well :) sh1mmer (13:59:39): www.plone.org sh1mmer (13:59:51): i have been making it wcag-aaa 1.0 by default rscano (13:59:53): let me check rscano (13:59:56): wow sh1mmer (13:59:57): it has i18n support rscano (14:00:00): is your production? sh1mmer (14:00:11): open source rscano (14:00:16): cool! rscano (14:00:35): zope and pyton ;-) sh1mmer (14:00:39): yes sh1mmer (14:00:43): we are in #plone on freenode rscano (14:00:46): great sh1mmer (14:03:04): One thing we do need is someone to translate the access keys into itallian and other languages/ rscano (14:03:16): i can help u :) rscano (14:04:36): i will talk with my staff sh1mmer (14:04:52): Great. Thanks Roberto. rscano (14:05:25): ok just sent a mail to our guys :D rscano (14:06:31): http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fplone.org%2Fevents% 2Fconferences%2F1%2FEarlyBirdLastCall check it ;-) rscano (14:06:50): the problem is always that content put from the users is not XHTML compilant sh1mmer (14:07:26): There is a WYSIWYG editor for Zope called Epoz which produces XHTML rscano (14:07:46): great! rscano (14:08:10): http://www.zope.org/Members/mjablonski/Epoz this one? sh1mmer (14:08:37): There is a test page http://movies.bluedynamics.org/projects/epoz/m2/common/fullpage.html rscano (14:08:44): k rscano (14:09:34): problems with data paste from MS word... sh1mmer (14:10:15): I don't know if it can cope with that. It works from a WYSIWYG component in Mozilla and IE rscano (14:10:33): yes it is good :) rscano (14:10:35): nice tool rscano (14:10:45): do u know ewebeditpro from ektron? sh1mmer (14:10:53): No sh1mmer (14:11:11): Is it commercial sh1mmer (14:11:12): ? rscano (14:11:15): yep rscano (14:11:21): this is the sole problem :D rscano (14:11:40): http://www.ektron.com/wysiwyg-editors.cfm sh1mmer (14:12:03): I prefer open source when I can get it sh1mmer (14:12:17): Wow! Thats a lot of money rscano (14:12:21): me too but i haven't find one powerful than this one rscano (14:12:24): yep rscano (14:12:52): http://www.ektron.com/customers.cfm look some customers :) sh1mmer (14:13:39): Hehe. Well I think Plone is going to do well too. Nasa use us :) (14:13:44) wendy has joined #wai-wcag rscano (14:13:48): great :) sh1mmer (14:13:50): http://www.plone.org/about/sites rscano (14:14:47): hi wendy :) wendy (14:14:58): ciao roberto sh1mmer (14:15:00): welcome back wendy. Good lunch? wendy (14:15:08): yes. very yummy. rscano (14:15:13): :) rscano (14:18:48): i'm ending the first accessible e-commerce software in Italy :) rscano (14:18:58): also with VoiceXML support :) (14:19:17) bcaldwell has joined #wai-wcag wendy (14:19:39): we're going to begin discussion of gateway techniques wendy (14:20:11): start concrete (joe's proposal) then move to higher view rscano (14:20:23): sorry for my non-partecipation in phone call due to line problems :( sh1mmer (14:20:24): ok let me call in (14:20:55) Zakim has joined #wai-wcag rscano (14:21:04): zakim, list conferences Zakim (14:21:05): I see no active conferences Zakim (14:21:05): scheduled at this time are I18N_WG(core tf)1:00PM, SW_SWAD()2:00PM, WAI_WCAG()9:00AM rscano (14:21:20): zakim, this is WAI_WCAG() Zakim (14:21:20): sorry, rscano, I do not see a conference named ' WAI_WCAG()' in progress or scheduled at this time wendy (14:21:39): we're on the phone wendy (14:21:46): zakim, this is WAI_WCAG Zakim (14:21:47): ok, wendy Zakim (14:21:47): + +44.191.514.aaaa Zakim (14:21:50): -??P0 Zakim (14:21:51): +??P0 wendy (14:21:55): zakim, who's on the phone? Zakim (14:21:55): On the phone I see ??P0, +44.191.514.aaaa wendy (14:22:12): zakim, ??P0 is toronto-room Zakim (14:22:14): +toronto-room; got it wendy (14:22:29): toronto-room contains Joe, Michael, Ben, Wendy, Dave, and Chris wendy (14:22:33): zakim, toronto-room contains Joe, Michael, Ben, Wendy, Dave, and Chris Zakim (14:22:34): +Joe, Michael, Ben, Wendy, Dave, Chris; got it wendy (14:22:43): zakim, +44 is Tom Zakim (14:22:44): +Tom; got it wendy (14:23:42): joe's proposals: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2003JulSep/0495.html (14:31:28) bcaldwell has left #wai-wcag (14:57:50) ChrisR has left #wai-wcag wendy (15:23:14): http://www.itc.org.uk/itc_publications/codes_guidance/ subtitling_signing_audio/index.asp sh1mmer (15:25:45): joe is just making up for months of missed calls rscano (15:26:10): :D Zakim (15:26:11): -Tom Zakim (15:26:14): -toronto-room Zakim (15:26:15): WAI_WCAG()9:00AM has ended joeclark (15:26:22): We'll let you know when we restart, Tom. sh1mmer (15:26:47): thanks wendy (15:32:05): tom? we're back and calling in again sh1mmer (15:32:17): ok wendy (15:32:51): zakim, this is WAI_WCAG Zakim (15:32:52): ok, wendy Zakim (15:33:05): +Tom Zakim (15:33:09): -??P0 Zakim (15:33:09): +??P0 wendy (15:33:11): zakim, who's on the phone? Zakim (15:33:12): On the phone I see ??P0, Tom wendy (15:33:27): zakim, ??P0 is Toronto-mtg-room Zakim (15:33:27): +Toronto-mtg-room; got it sh1mmer (15:33:37): sorry my mum had called ;) wendy (15:33:45): zakim, Toronto-mtg-room contains Michael, Ben, Wendy, Dave, Chris, Joe Zakim (15:33:47): +Michael, Ben, Wendy, Dave, Chris, Joe; got it sh1mmer (15:39:42): http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/c/a/cab38/ (15:50:31) rscano has left #wai-wcag (15:50:57) rscano has joined #wai-wcag wendy (16:01:54): http://csszengarden.com/ rscano (16:02:06): wonderful site! wendy (16:07:05): image replacement demo (+css switching), matt's new demo: http://www.w3.org/2003/08/wai-demo/ rscano (16:07:38): please set ACL... also as AC Rep i cannot read it :( wendy (16:07:51): oops. sorry. can't do that yet. must be a team-only resource. wendy (16:07:57): he's using it this week in a presentation rscano (16:08:00): ok remember matt :) (16:11:56) wendy has left #wai-wcag (16:12:21) wendy has joined #wai-wcag wendy (16:28:39): diff between guidelines/checkpoints and "gateway to techniques" is that guidelines/checkpoints = "what to do" techniques = "how to do" wendy (16:28:55): portal wendy (16:30:51): techniques portal portal to techniques wendy (16:31:21): techniques gateway wendy (16:31:29): gateway to techniques wendy (16:32:22): techniques gateway (bing bing bing!!) wendy (16:32:32): ala croucher wendy (16:33:18): === wendy (16:33:20): next steps wendy (16:33:27): lots of editing (html techniques) wendy (16:35:17): publish draft on 26 sept, discussion w/larger group on 2 october wendy (16:35:24): hopefully to TR soon after rscano (16:35:42): u are doing a great work guys! wendy (16:35:59): techniques gateway - clean-up current draft wendy (16:37:45): thx roberto rscano (16:40:26): let me know (also in mail) how can i support you. Now i must go out of office (it's 11.00pm) bye! wendy (16:43:20): ciao roberto (16:43:41) rscano has left #wai-wcag Zakim (16:48:57): -Tom Zakim (16:49:00): -Toronto-mtg-room Zakim (16:49:01): WAI_WCAG()9:00AM has ended sh1mmer (16:49:12): wow. i think my ear is about to fall off ;) (16:52:24) wendy has left #wai-wcag